Episode 12

12 - I'm Gagging for Baby Pants

It's the Week of Launch: Like Butter Kitta Parts v2, Like Butter Website, PDX CNC Dust Boot (Baby Pants).

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HOSTS

Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

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Justin Brouillette

Portland, Oregon, USA

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Transcript
Jem:

The host will let you in soon, the host this, this summer, this

Jem:

Is that why you were it

Justin:

yeah, no, I was trying to get the damn 3d printer

Justin:

to start on the next thing.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

can't rig up the deck cuz it sample

Justin:

I don't, I don't know how to loop it back into your

Justin:

audio and to record it yet.

Justin:

I there's an app for that, but it's like a hundred dollars and I don't wanna buy it.

Jem:

pad.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

How's

Jem:

Mm.

Justin:

it going?

Jem:

Yeah, pretty good.

Jem:

Feeling okay.

Jem:

How are you?

Justin:

Pretty good.

Justin:

Pretty.

Justin:

Pretty great, actually.

Justin:

I've finally somehow done well with the printer enough that it's working

Justin:

on its own to print full fricking parts that don't have issues, no problems

Jem:

Delicious.

Jem:

How did you solve the sagging on the back?

Justin:

flipped it upside down.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Awesome.

Justin:

So simple.

Justin:

I mean, I had to do some crazy support prints, but now I'm

Justin:

trying it without the support.

Justin:

Yeah, that was a huge win.

Justin:

A lot of bashing my head against the same thing over and over.

Justin:

It felt like I saw you got some pretty sweet wins with your uh,

Justin:

new call it that makes let you do square pieces in the pencil.

Justin:

Sharpen.

Jem:

Yeah, I was watching those videos back last night.

Jem:

I think I was grunting quite a lot on camera.

Jem:

I um, do you know what a Wallaby is?

Justin:

Vaguely.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

I had a run in with one on my bike yesterday, mine after 14 months

Jem:

of commuting that route on that cargo bike, I finally hit a kangaroo basically.

Justin:

oh.

Justin:

I was thinking it was something how's it different than a kangaroo smaller.

Jem:

They're just smaller.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Perfect size to get right under your front wheel and just like send you for six.

Justin:

Oh,

Jem:

I'm a little sore this morning

Justin:

you look pretty good for having crashed.

Jem:

I'm sure that little Wallaby's very sore as well, but I couldn't

Jem:

find it when, by the time I'd sort of climbed out of the mud.

Jem:

Couldn't see it anyway.

Justin:

They're like a cuter version of a,

Jem:

Mm.

Jem:

They, they're pretty cute.

Jem:

And they're really skittish.

Jem:

They've got no road manners and they just go

Justin:

a

Jem:

straight across.

Justin:

oh, wow.

Justin:

This is not a problem I've ever had.

Justin:

Honestly,

Jem:

you must have other things that jump out in front of you shortly.

Justin:

we've hit deer before.

Jem:

Oh, much bigger.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Nebraska.

Justin:

Oh man.

Justin:

Sorry that did it hurt your bike?

Justin:

Did it hurt

Jem:

Mm, no.

Jem:

Thankfully the bike bike seems pretty good.

Jem:

I was fully, fully wrapped up in my winter gear.

Jem:

So I was pretty well protected when I hit the deck.

Jem:

So yeah.

Justin:

one of those like crazy like an airbag, that inflates around your head

Justin:

when you crash, like the Danes have that

Justin:

. Jem: That'd be sweet.

Justin:

Well, those are so cute.

Justin:

I'll have to show my wife.

Justin:

These she'll

Jem:

You can't have one.

Justin:

Sounds very illegal here.

Jem:

It is.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

So you seem busy this week.

Jem:

Lot's going on?

Justin:

I, Ricky was out yesterday and,

Justin:

I got an enormous amount done.

Justin:

Not that it's Ricky's fault that I don't normally, but I just, things

Justin:

were working for once and yeah, I mean, I printed this little jig, too.

Justin:

What we came up with that you put on the dust boot plate

Justin:

so that you can side drill.

Justin:

And I just tried that out.

Justin:

So it's got like a hardened steel.

Jem:

Ah, yeah.

Jem:

Nice.

Justin:

I haven't pushed it all the way in yet, but

Jem:

Is, is that actually a drill, insert product or have you used something else?

Justin:

think it's called a bushing technically, but it's the

Justin:

exact size of the drill we use and it's made to go into plastic.

Justin:

The part that's in there is smooth currently.

Justin:

And then I think that's all the more needs, but we designed it.

Justin:

So it goes all the way in, but I, it fits up so nice.

Justin:

And then you can do a side drilling without it slipping or moving on

Justin:

you and it's supposed, it should align just perfectly, but this

Justin:

is two hours of printing, right?

Justin:

Like it solves such a difficult problem otherwise.

Jem:

Such a

Justin:

So cool.

Jem:

good use.

Jem:

We're having trouble getting one of our favorite fastener system is

Jem:

the lamella Cabernet, which is the little plastic puck that drops in.

Jem:

And this seems to be a worldwide shortage at the moment.

Jem:

We can't get any for months and we specify them into pretty much all our custom

Justin:

Oh, man.

Jem:

Cabinet projects.

Jem:

There's this, this little guy.

Jem:

And we joked, I joked with Josh the other day of like, why can't we

Jem:

breed them if we can't buy any let's print our own, which is getting mixed

Jem:

reception here amongst the staff.

Jem:

But but what led me to that thought was well chatting yesterday.

Jem:

And like, there must be, you know, there's obviously other systems we

Jem:

could use to put our cabinets together.

Jem:

Why don't we just shop around and find a different system, which is annoying.

Jem:

Cause all our fusion templates are built around this component, but you

Jem:

know, a lot of other cam and pin systems need that side drilling operations.

Jem:

So little widgets, like what you just made are perfect for doing beautiful side

Jem:

drilling operations without too much pain.

Jem:

So yeah, we might shop around.

Jem:

We'll see.

Justin:

I would, I don't know those things very well.

Justin:

I've looked at 'em a couple times seemingly fairly popular here.

Justin:

I dunno why you wouldn't be able to print it cause it's just

Justin:

holding something in place so that another thing can grab onto it.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

Kind of

Jem:

Yeah, it's a pretty simple part.

Jem:

I think what makes me a little bit sort of wary of it is a structural integrity

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

and be, having the, the Swiss hardware police on doorstep.

Jem:

I see you are printing thousands of our little widgets.

Justin:

Mm mm-hmm yeah, I pro I would probably do the same.

Justin:

I don't think I would, unless it was like for our own product and

Justin:

we could test it for a while.

Jem:

No, I dunno.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

That sucks.

Justin:

I don't know that we have a lot of that weird stuff.

Justin:

It's been a long time.

Justin:

The bloom hardware, especially drawer slides, just it's super

Justin:

popular over here for cabinets.

Justin:

And it's been, it's just been terrible for since January at least.

Jem:

this year.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Just nobody could, they were doing allocation.

Justin:

So it's kind of like based on your past orders and then you couldn't get more.

Justin:

And luckily we didn't really ever use that stuff, but just friends that

Justin:

make cabinets a lot of 'em started using other brands that had less.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

We did a bit of that last year.

Jem:

I think that was cause we used Haly rather than blonde

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

and, and that all dried up.

Jem:

I mean, yeah.

Jem:

I had to shop around and use different things and make new

Jem:

fusion templates for new hardware and learn all the quirks about it.

Jem:

It's fine, but when you've tried to build yourself systems around

Jem:

making processes more efficient, and then you have to switch up the, the

Jem:

pieces of hardware that are integral to that system that you've made.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

It's tricky.

Jem:

It's I guess.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It, it feels like there's been a lot of that like wasted

Justin:

effort on our side for sure.

Justin:

Of Well, we've been talking about it practically every week, like you

Justin:

or I, a lot of my problems, right?

Justin:

Like materials.

Justin:

It's constantly like, feeling like you gotta, re-engineer your

Justin:

things around what you can get and

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

it's no fun.

Justin:

You get good at something and then have to like, fix it again and

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Just extra problem solving.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

So how far off do you reckon you are selling a baby fence?

Justin:

pants.

Justin:

Uh, We're making content today.

Justin:

I think we're gonna film

Justin:

a short YouTube on how it works.

Justin:

And just a short video of like how to, how we've gone about

Justin:

making it and that it's available.

Justin:

we're gonna send out, information, which is when it's available to the

Justin:

people that have signed up that are interested and I did find we have

Justin:

on the way here, a backup or an alternative vendor for the strip brushes,

Justin:

because that was six to seven weeks.

Justin:

And supposedly these are a week away from being shipped.

Justin:

And so that solves that.

Justin:

I've also been chasing the plastic that one vendor we use all the time for the

Justin:

plastic sheet said, they've been trying to order this material since February

Justin:

and I've been able to get it in another one was like, oh yeah, we have that.

Justin:

just like, I don't know what just constant weirds, yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

short answer is, I think I'm gonna be selling it week by the end of the week.

Justin:

And I'm excited about that.

Justin:

I'm super excited that things have finally smoothed out and

Justin:

seems like it's working well.

Justin:

And I mean, we've been using it and it's, it's worked so well, like so much better.

Justin:

He's basically just like grinning ear to ear.

Justin:

Every time he use he's like, this is so great.

Justin:

There's so much

Jem:

that the a that's

Justin:

clean up.

Justin:

And you have been messaging that you are launching your get parts V2 today.

Justin:

Is that what

Jem:

revised V2.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'll, I'll get clarity on that before I hit published, but yeah,

Jem:

gonna press published today.

Jem:

I think I've got a few missing renders just for the new configurations

Jem:

that we are making available.

Jem:

But I think I'm gonna keep it pretty quick and dirty and probably get

Jem:

in trouble from Jay and Sarah for having not like backfilled all the

Jem:

inventory details in air table fully.

Jem:

I'll just hit go live and try and capture some of that energy that we've

Jem:

got built up on Instagram this week with people who seem really keen and

Jem:

in interested and see what happens.

Justin:

You put up that render of just the vinyl kit basically.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

I dunno what you're calling that.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

The little vinyl.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

I don't read all of your comments all the time, but it was just

Justin:

like, everybody was like so excited.

Justin:

And also it seems like everybody wanted that little backer piece to

Justin:

the vinyl, which seems nice too.

Justin:

Get another little piece of the puzzle.

Jem:

Little bookend.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I probably need to resolve that today.

Jem:

Hey, oops.

Jem:

But yeah, it was really nice.

Jem:

I like, I like it when people get involved

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

in things.

Justin:

for

Jem:

They're engaged.

Jem:

Like when, when I did that call out the other day about like best way

Jem:

to write dimensions, I feel like every trades person on Instagram who

Jem:

follows me, like DMed me directly with their preferred system or what

Jem:

they learned to trade school, or

Jem:

I was just flooded with a whole lot of options, which I'd never even heard of.

Jem:

Some of which were great.

Justin:

The final result was one clear one.

Justin:

Oh uh, I.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Quantity 12, like basically writing at Q T Y one or whatever, just for clarity.

Jem:

Cause we're chasing something that could work just equally well

Jem:

on a customer facing website or on a part parts list internally.

Jem:

So that the same language flows through all our systems, whether

Jem:

they're customer facing or internal.

Jem:

And then if someone's scratching out a cut list for themself on the tables

Jem:

or, or something, then that, that can be whatever their personal convention

Jem:

is, cuz it's just, it's just for them.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Interesting.

Justin:

I personally, I like the like 12 X that's usually my thing, but it is,

Justin:

I'll give, I'll give you that it is confusing because when I'm like requesting

Justin:

quotes from vendors, Hey, I want like 12 sheets of plywood quoted and I

Justin:

have like three quarter by 48 by 96.

Justin:

And then somewhere in there I put 12 X also.

Justin:

It's like, it comes in it all of a sudden it's part of the, the other part.

Justin:

So then I'll put like count.

Justin:

I don't know.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I get what you're saying though.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

It can start looking like a dimension.

Jem:

That's the risk of that one, I reckon.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

I think you should do another one now, or maybe I'll do this one.

Justin:

Where what's the proper abbreviation of assembly,

Jem:

In what context?

Justin:

any kind.

Justin:

So like, if you wanna say assembly ass, L E M B Y which you wanna shorten

Justin:

it to like three to four characters, just, do some of those in your head.

Justin:

It ends up looking like, assy or S S Lee or

Jem:

I guess, yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

ASMs, not bad, but I don't, that starts to look like a technical

Justin:

you know, like ASM or like those stupid, maybe that's an American thing, but

Justin:

that's a technical group, I think.

Justin:

Anyway,

Jem:

Good

Justin:

just a lot of these stupid things.

Justin:

We had a debate about that here.

Justin:

I think Andy had used like ass Y and I, every time I saw it, I was

Justin:

just like, oh, we can't use that.

Justin:

Like, Assy really, we're gonna just sit but then none of the

Justin:

rest of 'em seem right either.

Justin:

So this is how we make profit.

Jem:

dunno.

Jem:

Oh

Justin:

So when you go live with this new product, you post it on Instagram.

Justin:

Are you gonna do like a, your language part as well?

Justin:

EDM of electronic direct mail.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

We will do something like that this week

Justin:

Nice.

Justin:

I've

Jem:

sent out to all, all three of our subscribers.

Justin:

Had this thought lately as I was browsing.

Justin:

I think we chatted a lot.

Justin:

Quite a while back.

Justin:

I was looking for different email marketing providers.

Justin:

And then MailChimp got bought by into it.

Justin:

And I still haven't done anything about it, but I'm still on the the March there.

Justin:

Cause I hate that company.

Justin:

there was a lot of research and talk about SMS marketing as well.

Justin:

And I always thought like personally, I don't like to get that kind of stuff.

Justin:

I find it weird.

Justin:

Shopify allows you now to check out with just an email or a phone number.

Justin:

And I was just always like, I don't, who uses that that's, you know, like

Justin:

maybe these big like wireless carriers where it's like buy, you know, text

Justin:

this to buy some kind of thing.

Justin:

I always thought it was weird, but I've been thinking about it more

Justin:

and more lately of like how often.

Justin:

Emails get lost in spam filters or like in a flood of other things and how

Justin:

almost foolproof SMS is as a business to get in contact with your customers.

Justin:

Like if they've signed up and they want that, it's not getting sent anywhere else.

Justin:

It's like straight to them.

Justin:

If you use it, you know, kind of cautiously, right?

Justin:

You're not like constantly sending 'em like we have another sale this week.

Justin:

It's like, you just announce your products through it or something.

Justin:

You you're gonna get like a huge amount of those people to see it.

Jem:

I guess, yeah.

Jem:

I don't like it either.

Jem:

Like, I feel like SMS is way more invasive than email

Justin:

For sure.

Jem:

and it's fantastic for something like a shipping tracking update,

Jem:

like, oh my thing's arriving today.

Jem:

Great.

Jem:

Or.

Jem:

But I, you know, pretty much any company that sends me SMS

Jem:

marketing, I text stop back, like

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Same.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

get rid of it.

Justin:

I'm thinking of it as like a direct opt-in though, you know,

Justin:

you've chosen to receive, it's like those websites that ask you to receive

Justin:

their notifications on the browser.

Justin:

And I'm like, who the hell signs up for that?

Justin:

You know

Jem:

uh,

Jem:

when you accidentally click yes.

Jem:

And then you're badged by some random website.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah, look, you know, I'm, I'm gagging for baby pants, but I don't

Jem:

think I'd sign up for an SMS update.

Justin:

Oh yeah, sure.

Jem:

some other channel, but that's just me.

Jem:

I don't know.

Jem:

I dunno.

Justin:

I, I have, well, me and my friend, Joe and Kyle always

Justin:

have these conversations about and I think we're all in agreement,

Justin:

basically that over the years we've talked about it enough of like, can

Justin:

you imagine somebody buying this?

Justin:

And like, they make custom woodwork pro you know, projects and their

Justin:

value has increased over time.

Justin:

So they've increased their prices and we are always like Laing each other

Justin:

for, you know, getting a good sale and.

Justin:

We've come to this realization that you, you, you really should never,

Justin:

as the business owner, you shouldn't limit it to what you want, cuz

Justin:

you're not your customer typically.

Justin:

I don't want that, but what if somebody really wants to know everything

Justin:

that we put out and like, if I limit that, I'm only limiting my potential

Justin:

reach to that person, I guess.

Justin:

And there's an ethics to it too, in some level, you know, like if

Justin:

you're doing something elicit, but.

Jem:

Yeah, that reminds me of the, sort of the payment gateway debate

Jem:

that we've had a little bit here of like which payment gateways sort

Jem:

of suit our ethical standpoint.

Jem:

And also just, you know, which ones are costing more, more

Jem:

margin and blah, blah, blah.

Jem:

I fought, having after pay for a long time.

Jem:

I was just like, it doesn't does.

Jem:

I don't like it doesn't fit our ethos and then got talked into it a month or so ago.

Jem:

I think one customer has used it since, but it's the same thing it's like,

Jem:

do you give people the choice and they can choose to use those services or not?

Jem:

Or do you make the decision and say, no, you can only use Shopify pay or paper or.

Justin:

for sure.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I, no, that's a good one too.

Justin:

We've had that, I've had that chat with a couple business owner, friends

Justin:

here and there's, there's pretty strong data that shows pretty negative

Justin:

trends with those services, but they're also growing like mad right now.

Justin:

We've had one person ever check out with after pay and it was

Justin:

not a large amount of money.

Justin:

In the scheme of our website sales, I'm not gonna, you know, say that,

Justin:

that for that person, it wasn't, but

Jem:

sure.

Justin:

But yeah, that's a different, I, I feel a little different about that.

Justin:

We do have it.

Justin:

I think Shopify has kind of almost forced its hand in that regard.

Justin:

Now I think you have to have it in a certain way.

Justin:

Shop pay or something like that in at least in America.

Justin:

I don't know.

Justin:

Maybe it's different by

Justin:

country.

Jem:

Yep.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

That one feels weird for sure.

Justin:

But I always try to remind myself because I think I would, you know, in the case

Justin:

of their woodworking projects, it's like I don't think that I don't know.

Justin:

I don't wanna out them by any means, but it's like, we don't feel like we would buy

Justin:

our own products because we don't either feel like we could afford them or they're

Justin:

too much for what they are, but it's like, somebody else wants to pay for it.

Justin:

Like sweet.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I'm gonna get what I can get out of this, my value in, in making a thing.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Interesting.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

I suppose that's also different when you make a handmade

Justin:

custom piece versus kind of more what we do where it's product that's

Justin:

off, not off the shelf, but it's not custom, not custom for, for client.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

more of that.

Jem:

small batch production.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

early leader of titles.

Justin:

Gem has entered is I'm gagging for baby pants.

Jem:

I just wanna hear, say that.

Don:

I'm gagging for baby pants.

Justin:

I had this thought lately that the prices of everything have

Justin:

been going up pretty steeply.

Justin:

Here inflation is kind of rampant and the government's trying to control it

Justin:

with, interest rate hikes and stuff like that probably will cause a recession.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

And I don't, aside from that, our rates haven't changed for our job

Justin:

shop services in change 'em a couple times a year, depending on how things

Justin:

are going or, you know, we've been kind of growing small, small changes

Justin:

just depending on how they're going.

Justin:

Sometimes it's down, sometimes it's up, it's kind of like, I'm always

Justin:

trying to feel out where it goes.

Justin:

We don't, they're not published.

Justin:

it's kind of a.

Justin:

This is what we need right now with how many people we have on staff.

Justin:

And I, had this thought of like, man, I haven't considered

Justin:

this in well over a year.

Justin:

inflation is crazy here.

Justin:

I was curious, how do you consider this?

Justin:

Are you doing it on a schedule?

Justin:

or by reaction to market forces or something like that?

Jem:

We are not doing it on a schedule, but we are pretty quick to

Jem:

update material prices in our table.

Jem:

And that now feeds out into product pricing and obviously custom quoting.

Jem:

We don't, Ugh, it's a, you know, it's a bit of a pain to update all

Jem:

the product pricing on the website.

Jem:

So we don't do that immediately.

Jem:

We tend to hold off for a period of time and do a sort of product price rise.

Jem:

Maybe I'm gonna say annually, depending on

Justin:

yeah, yeah,

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

Don't always, don't always do it every year, but like I of late, yes.

Jem:

We've had to ke keep on it pretty regularly with fluctuations.

Jem:

But I think the biggest thing we are doing to protect ourselves from.

Jem:

Inflation and a potential recession trying to build up cash in the company.

Jem:

Like we've floated around, you know, zero or just low, low bank balances

Jem:

for so long, you know, money it's still boggles me like this far into the

Jem:

business, just like how much money moves around and that it all seems to work.

Jem:

And like cash flow is a constant challenge and we've gotten a

Jem:

lot better at managing cash flow

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

late.

Jem:

But yeah, our main thing we're trying to do is just build up a cash reserve so that

Jem:

we've got that buffer when times are hard.

Justin:

Yeah

Jem:

it's just such a powerful thing to have a bit on hand.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

And the other, I suppose the other thing, I mean, we don't really have this problem,

Jem:

but we're just being really tight on our.

Jem:

Debtors creditors always get this confused debtors.

Jem:

I think so anyone who owes us money, we're just trying to be really

Jem:

not aggressive, but just like

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

keep that really tight so that we don't have any big

Jem:

partial payments hanging over.

Jem:

So just because I think a lot of small businesses are gonna be at risk in this

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's your money?

Justin:

Hm.

Justin:

Hm.

Jem:

And so some, a client who we might love and trust and love working with

Jem:

might just, their business might just fall over tomorrow and they could owe us,

Jem:

you know, tens of thousands of dollars.

Jem:

So we're just trying to keep a really close eye on that and not end up

Jem:

in a spot where we're out of pocket for some unforeseen circumstances.

Justin:

Have you had a business through a

Jem:

I dunno.

Jem:

I just like making things, Justin, I don't know about recessions.

Jem:

No.

Jem:

Um,

Justin:

We won't talk about recessions.

Jem:

I don't know.

Jem:

Have you.

Justin:

Well, the last one technically here was like, oh eight.

Justin:

So no, I was, I was in school still, but.

Jem:

Look, yeah, I guess we've been in business since 2007, so maybe, but as I

Justin:

Different.

Jem:

I'm out of the news cycle, to be honest,

Justin:

Yeah, sure.

Justin:

I

Jem:

and particularly back in those days where it was just like nose

Jem:

to the ground, grinding seven days a week making stuff, I just, yeah,

Justin:

yeah,

Jem:

never been short of work.

Jem:

Let me say that.

Jem:

Mm I guess I probably have a pretty skewed impression of how yeah.

Justin:

sure.

Justin:

That's good.

Jem:

Maybe I'm just naive.

Jem:

Like I don't, I don't really know the risks of a recession.

Justin:

Interesting.

Justin:

Sure.

Justin:

I I think, I think about that most often is, I mean like the, you

Justin:

know, Titans of CNC, the Titan I think when I first stumbled upon

Justin:

him, I saw his story on YouTube.

Justin:

He was telling of how have you heard the story of how he had, like his claim

Justin:

was he had a hundred million business or something like that, or a hundred

Justin:

million worth of machines or contracts?

Justin:

I, a little

Justin:

bombastic for me.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

the YouTube thumbnail.

Jem:

That's about as far as I go.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I don't know why I was curious.

Justin:

I guess I watched a bunch of those.

Justin:

And the story just in short was he had a crazy amount of contract work set up

Justin:

and he had bought just, I think really common, a bunch of machines dedicated

Justin:

to those jobs and almost overnight, all of it dried up in his telling and they

Justin:

just were, all of his clients started canceling contracts that were millions,

Justin:

hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Justin:

And so he still had, he was still on the hook for.

Justin:

20 some CNC machine payments and had no work and had basically to close the

Justin:

company, like all but lost everything.

Justin:

And so I think about that a lot of, I don't have, I don't think I'm extended

Justin:

to that level, but you know, I don't love making payments on anything, but

Justin:

it's in some sense necessary to have some form of growth, unless you have

Justin:

like the best CA unless you're at John Saunder's cash financing genius.

Justin:

I think about that.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's definitely, it definitely curtails my thoughts.

Justin:

I think we talked about that last time about buying machines.

Justin:

Sounds fun, but I don't wanna be in that situation when things

Justin:

hit the fan, but I don't know.

Justin:

You can only do so much.

Justin:

I think cash cash seems smart.

Justin:

If I could make that happen.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

We've made it a very direct aim to build it up.

Jem:

It's like top of our sort of goals in terms of our business planning.

Jem:

Sorry, just trying to get the thermals outta my bloody Wallaby knee.

Jem:

excuse Me, a moment.

Jem:

Yeah, I think about the sort of that situation of what would

Jem:

happen if we lost work overnight.

Justin:

Mm-hmm yeah.

Justin:

Mm-hmm

Jem:

Um,

Jem:

But to be very honest,

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

I feel great responsibility to my team to continue employing them

Jem:

and to pay them and so that they can live their lives on this job.

Jem:

But at the end of the day, it is just a job and there are other jobs in the world.

Jem:

And if if everything went south overnight, there are other things in life that

Jem:

I'd be quite happy doing and exploring.

Jem:

And I think as long as I didn't end up, you know you know, worst

Jem:

case scenario is bankruptcy right here, as far as I'm aware.

Justin:

the same here.

Jem:

yeah, I think there's a lot more to do.

Jem:

And there's lots of things I would quite happily go off and do in the world.

Jem:

And yeah, I, I suppose while I'm incredibly invested in what we're doing

Jem:

and passionate about it, I love it.

Jem:

There's a, there's other things in life and yeah.

Jem:

If it all went south and we lost work and had to sell machines and sell the

Jem:

F rent out the factory, or I dunno.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I think it's a little bit of the, sort of the early days where I didn't

Jem:

wanna owe anyone any money because I didn't really know whether this

Jem:

is what I wanted be to be doing.

Jem:

And so I wanted to be in a position where I could just, you know, lock

Jem:

the doors and walk away at any moment without having a loan over my head.

Jem:

I think that there's a little bit, bit of that attitude hanging over, even

Jem:

though we do owe people money now and we employ, you know, eight people.

Jem:

There's still a little bit of that sense of, yeah.

Jem:

There's other things out there.

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

No, I, I went through the same process.

Justin:

I I'm thinking you kind of generated for me the, the feelings through the

Justin:

recession here of COVID, especially like in 2020, it got pretty rough.

Justin:

We had like revenue swing in one month.

Justin:

Like we had jobs taken back.

Justin:

I think it was June of 2020.

Justin:

It was pretty dramatic.

Justin:

And at the time I didn't have, we didn't have anybody on full time.

Justin:

So I had somebody that was, I was hesitant in the same way.

Justin:

You're talking about with debtors, for example, with hiring full time through

Justin:

the startup of Portland CNC because of, I just, none of it was known.

Justin:

I didn't, I had this conversation every time I'd work or hire somebody.

Justin:

It was one guy for a long time, couple year, 18 months of just, I don't.

Justin:

I don't want you to come work here if you need this to be full-time

Justin:

because I don't know where it's going.

Justin:

You know, like, it seems like it's going well.

Justin:

And that was my version of that for a long time and even leases and stuff like that.

Justin:

that, that period, I remember having conversations with my wife and she kind

Justin:

of said the same was like, what's the worst thing, you know, what happens?

Justin:

And I was like, well, it's just me working, which it turned out to be.

Justin:

And we made it through that because we basically had no co you know, no employee

Justin:

costs and slimmed everything down.

Justin:

But I don't know.

Justin:

I'm not necessarily terribly worried about that.

Justin:

I guess it just, I thought it would be an interesting topic to go through and.

Jem:

no, it's super interesting.

Jem:

Yeah, I think at a sort of business level, I am pretty, yeah.

Jem:

Naive about the risk.

Jem:

But personally, also I would be quite happy building cubby houses in the Bush.

Justin:

What's a cuby house,

Jem:

it's a cubby house.

Jem:

I dunno.

Jem:

The equivalent

Justin:

like an eight.

Jem:

house.

Jem:

What do,

Justin:

Is it

Jem:

what do they call Don?

Jem:

What do they call cubby houses in America?

Don:

It's like a log cabin in the woods.

Don:

Probably.

Justin:

Cuby house Australia.

Justin:

Oh, oh, oh, oh maybe a tree house

Jem:

Yeah, sure.

Jem:

Tree

Justin:

or sometime, yeah.

Justin:

It's it looks like a kids thing in this example, but we also have

Justin:

ADUs, which are like, just like,

Justin:

back ad attach um, Something dwelling unit, but it's basically like cities

Justin:

allow you to put little houses in the back of your property for like a

Justin:

Airbnb or yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I like

Justin:

your, I like your phrases better.

Jem:

no granny flat, like, like a log, a log cabin in the woods.

Jem:

That's my equivalent of cubby house.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

What's what's that?

Justin:

I like your funny words.

Justin:

Funny, man.

Justin:

this one's tipped over on its side.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

There's like I remember in school learning about there's like architects

Justin:

that have specialized in building treehouses like high end tree houses,

Justin:

such an interesting profession.

Jem:

that's been a dream of mine since I was a kid.

Jem:

I think having a proper, proper Treehouse

Justin:

well, now you've got all that.

Justin:

That's like the, the dream.

Justin:

Do you have good trees on your property?

Jem:

mm-hmm lots.

Justin:

Oh, man, you gotta get, gotta build your kids as sweet tree house.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

That's why I bought that Nikita chainsaw recently.

Jem:

Battery chainsaw, take it out in the book.

Jem:

Nice.

Justin:

Oh yeah.

Justin:

I got one of those one

Jem:

Hmm.

Jem:

after all the excitement yesterday, I feel underprepared this morning.

Jem:

We're launching a new website today.

Justin:

so, whoa, whoa came outta nowhere.

Don:

This episode sponsored by the New Like Butter Kitta Parts on the

Don:

New Like Butter website and also Fresh New Baby Pants by PDX CNC.

Don:

All linked in the notes.

Jem:

I know.

Jem:

Right.

Jem:

So we had our Christmas in July, even though it's not July, we had our

Jem:

like winter staff dinner last night, we all went, went round to Jay's

Jem:

house and had Indian takeaway and

Justin:

Oh.

Jem:

beers.

Jem:

And then today is our workshop improvement day, which always falls on a Thursday.

Jem:

So I often seem to be mentioning it as we record on Thursdays.

Jem:

And Jay and I are gonna spend the day basically pushing the new

Jem:

Shopify 2.0 theme live, and then fixing once it's live, we'll fix

Jem:

everything that we haven't finished.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Jay's been in the sort of development space for a long

Jem:

time and was joking last night.

Jem:

You never go live on a Friday.

Jem:

And today is our Friday end of the week.

Jem:

So there might be some hangovers over the weekend in terms of fixing bits and bobs.

Jem:

But yeah, I'm excited.

Jem:

I love the pressure of going live and then sort of fixing all the

Jem:

stuff that doesn't look right.

Justin:

I, you, you keep commenting.

Justin:

I wanna.

Justin:

Encourage this process, you keep it having this comment of basically, it

Justin:

almost feels like you're I do this too.

Justin:

It's like, you're, you are being forced to grow up in a certain sense to like how

Justin:

businesses maybe run like responsibly.

Justin:

And I would encourage to not do that because you've gotten to this place.

Justin:

I mean sure.

Justin:

Don't piss off your team.

Jem:

Yeah,

Justin:

it's good to have that kind of pressure to keep doing the hard things

Justin:

that move you forwards and not cuz like I do the opposite of that most of the time

Justin:

where I'm over considering everything and I'm not having products go live.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

Like

Jem:

Mm.

Justin:

it, eh, I dunno.

Justin:

I think it's good.

Justin:

Sorry.

Justin:

Sorry.

Justin:

Like butter team.

Jem:

Justin's encouraging me to be more irresponsible.

Justin:

I dunno about that.

Justin:

The other silly thing.

Justin:

As you said we're gonna publish it live happened in my head was,

Justin:

oh, Gem's time's ahead of mine.

Justin:

So I should be able to see this now, but we're talking live and I was, I went to

Justin:

your website and tried to see the site and I was like, oh yeah, duh, I can't see

Jem:

you from

Justin:

I can't see it now.

Jem:

the future.

Jem:

Justin sell those stocks now.

Justin:

That's nice.

Jem:

Hmm,

Justin:

that's cool.

Justin:

Well, there'll be a link to

Jem:

there will be assuming it doesn't break and we have to roll back to the

Jem:

old theme, but I'm sure I'll be fine.

Jem:

Jay's been working on it for ages.

Jem:

So

Justin:

I'm sure it's good.

Justin:

Tell me what you are trying to improve by going to the new website.

Jem:

We are trying to improve page load speed,

Justin:

Ooh,

Jem:

no bottom, but bottom line before I get to techy things is we're

Jem:

trying to improve our conversion rate.

Jem:

So we get in my mind, I think a lot of traffic, lots of

Jem:

people come to our website.

Jem:

Great, fantastic.

Jem:

Our conversion rate is in my mind, again, it's all relative very low.

Justin:

Sure.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

And so one of the key drivers behind updating the theme and rolling this out

Jem:

was trying to improve our conversion rate.

Jem:

How we page load speed is one thing, but also just little things of like

Jem:

how we communicate information.

Jem:

So instead of like the product page, being this just big slab of text of

Jem:

like much more sort of broken out.

Jem:

Things with information in them.

Jem:

So you can kind of more easily find answers to questions and be

Jem:

presented information more clearly.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

And the Shopify 2.0 architecture means that what we used to be able

Jem:

to do on like a front page with nice banners and sort of content and stacking

Jem:

out, you can now do on any page.

Justin:

Oh,

Jem:

cuz previously Shopify pages, if you're familiar with them are

Jem:

really limited in terms of formatting.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Whereas they've opened that up so you can do much sort of

Jem:

more rich design, drag and drop design on pretty much any page now.

Justin:

Got that thing called sections or something like that.

Jem:

Yeah, probably.

Jem:

I don't even know what it's called,

Justin:

Did you

Justin:

just, did you custom make your theme or did you like find one and it?

Jem:

We purchased one and Jay's tweaked it a little bit, but I'm, I I'm quite sort

Jem:

of militant about no custom code please.

Jem:

I've been burnt in the past by paying people to customized stuff

Jem:

to heavily, and then we either rely on someone else to update it.

Jem:

Or like with our last Shopify build, we were just in a spot where we

Jem:

couldn't, every time Shopify released an up or a theme update, we couldn't

Jem:

update easily without breaking things and having to fix them.

Jem:

And, and I think there's some, there's something that happens.

Jem:

Like if you employ someone to build a website and I totally understand,

Jem:

I'm probably the same with furniture.

Jem:

They wanna put something of themselves into it.

Jem:

Right.

Jem:

And so, you know, whether it's a piece of furniture or a website, if you're

Jem:

commissioning someone to build it, of course they wanna do a great job and

Jem:

they wanna sort of make it special.

Justin:

that's I think, yeah.

Jem:

But I I'm of the opinion that for something like a website, yes, you can do

Jem:

wonderful custom builds that look amazing.

Jem:

But for the average customer, who's rocking up.

Jem:

They're not gonna go, oh, they've used the Shopify Atlantic theme.

Jem:

I see that everywhere.

Jem:

How boring I'm going away now.

Jem:

It's like, they're not coming to review your use of a Shopify theme.

Jem:

They're coming.

Jem:

Cuz they wanna buy a baby pants or a clip crate like

Justin:

That's our damn design school talking.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

Like I do the same thing thinking about like, they're gonna see that

Justin:

it's just a theme, but it's like, nobody even thinks about that.

Justin:

You know,

Jem:

who cares?

Jem:

yes.

Justin:

What's the shipping cost?

Justin:

Like, is it gonna fit in my house

Jem:

yeah, exactly.

Jem:

So I I'm very much of the opinion that just using off the shelf

Jem:

theme, so that are easy to update and well supported is the way to.

Jem:

And then make it, make it unique with all your content, like

Jem:

your imagery and your text.

Jem:

And so

Justin:

This sounds like a square Squarespace ad.

Justin:

Now make it unique.

Justin:

Make

Justin:

it your

Jem:

this episode is

Justin:

not

Justin:

sponsored by space.

Justin:

It's not sponsored at all.

Don:

What was that ad read I did?

Justin:

Shopify themes not sponsoring this episode is sponsored by don.

Jem:

thanks.

Jem:

Thanks Don

Jem:

sugar, daddy, Don.

Don:

You don't even pay me.

Justin:

Yeah, there's a, there's so much to consider.

Justin:

Oh, I I'd say my Shopify I've made some good progress on NAL.

Justin:

I get into this, I get into this game where I'm playing a lot with how I kind

Justin:

of do those as if then statements with Shopify so that I can minorly customize

Justin:

based on like using tags, the, the very built in tag collection thing.

Justin:

Like basically if these tags show this thing in the product area, right?

Justin:

Now I'm doing a thing where it's like anything that's Nack wall related.

Justin:

It has a tag, this is knack wall.

Justin:

And then if it's not a kit or a panel, it'll say you need to get a panel.

Justin:

You need this other part.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

Don't miss this.

Justin:

Yeah, it's fun.

Justin:

I, I like that kind of, it feels like I'm not, you know, I'm not

Justin:

building a lot of different pages.

Justin:

It's kind of like building the, the root page that makes it all, hopefully

Justin:

like you're saying it helps conversion.

Justin:

It helps people flow through.

Justin:

Thinking about stuff I'm hoping and I'm feeling a lot better about it.

Justin:

And I did also, I think last time I was saying, I couldn't figure out how to

Justin:

make that simple bundles thing work, how I wanted with like each kit could

Justin:

have a vertical or a horizontal panel.

Justin:

I figured that out right after that.

Justin:

I highly recommend that that plugin called simple bundles it right

Justin:

now, I'm using the free version.

Justin:

I'll probably pay for it at some point, but it's super useful, make any type

Justin:

of combination of things and then it keeps track of inventory and pricing and

Justin:

just makes it kind of easy to manage.

Jem:

Mm.

Jem:

I'm gonna check that out today.

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

Why not add another app as we go live

Jem:

just to complicate things?

Justin:

one of the better apps I've seen.

Justin:

A lot of those are pretty janky, you know, like somebody's

Justin:

done it on their spare time.

Justin:

This looks like legit, developers really good documentation.

Justin:

And I, I sent 'em a message and they like responded within an hour.

Justin:

I think it's pretty quick.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Awesome.

Jem:

That's nice.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

It's nice.

Jem:

When you get app developers who are fast, the um, shipping one, we use

Jem:

the app developer here is awesome.

Jem:

He's just super responsive and you'll write little bits of custom code for you

Jem:

and be like, yeah, don't worry about it.

Jem:

I got you.

Justin:

Very cool.

Justin:

So when something's beyond J if is that a thing

Jem:

it is a thing.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

tackle everything?

Justin:

Do you hire out something?

Justin:

Some kind of solutioning?

Jem:

A little bit.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'm always like Jay, but you can code, you can do anything.

Jem:

So it's like, no, I do this very specific code sort of coding J

Jem:

I can't do this.

Jem:

Like, oh, I thought it was all the same.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

JS, you know, contacts or outsourcing little bits and bobs to other people.

Justin:

you don't have a good resource other than know a person.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

No, not

Justin:

Okay.

Justin:

Do you have a plan for where you're going with square stock on the pencil sharpener?

Justin:

Can you talk

Jem:

specifically.

Jem:

It's actually, it's actually for a custom, a customer

Justin:

Ah,

Jem:

It's one of those ones where.

Jem:

It's a customer who I'm doing a bit of R and D work for product development and

Justin:

looked really nice.

Jem:

yeah, it's, it was one of those ones where, as we were talking it

Jem:

through together he came with one design and then we jumped on a zoom call.

Jem:

We started at working on that actually.

Jem:

And then we jumped on a zoom call and like half an hour later,

Jem:

we'd completely redesigned it.

Jem:

I was just screen sharing fusion.

Jem:

We kind of mapped it out.

Jem:

So one of those ones where I was like, I don't actually know how we're

Jem:

gonna do this, but we'll work it out.

Jem:

That's part of the fun.

Jem:

And so yeah, got that color adapter printed and it worked beautifully

Jem:

like first time worked really well.

Jem:

So I don't know.

Jem:

I'm sure we'll find uses for square stock in the pencil sharper.

Jem:

I know Johnny's pretty keen.

Jem:

Cuz he makes beautiful real furniture on the weekend when

Jem:

he is doing his own thing and.

Justin:

So that was the table

Justin:

recently.

Justin:

And that's

Jem:

sort of modest tenon stuff.

Jem:

So I think he's keen to explore using the pencil sharper as a 10 inning machine,

Justin:

Mm-hmm

Jem:

which would be sweet.

Jem:

And Josh has brought his printer to work.

Jem:

So we have a printer in the office at the moment.

Jem:

So yeah, that's, that's pretty exciting.

Jem:

We've been starting to fiddle and print little bits and bobs.

Jem:

It's just been the last couple of days.

Justin:

Yep.

Justin:

I I'm curious to see how you get on with it.

Justin:

Cuz I was hesitant.

Justin:

I bought it basically cause it was a super, the ity ones, like 250 bucks and

Justin:

it was like, I think this is probably something we should get into and it had

Justin:

come up a couple times of like, you know, even the most simple ideas of like we

Justin:

could fixture or something if we could hold it like this or and Saunders has

Justin:

been talking about it forever, right?

Justin:

Like you should get this, you'll find a use.

Justin:

And I was just hesitant cause they us so many problems and it turned out

Justin:

to have a lot of problems, but it was like, it started to change my brain

Justin:

of like, I started to design things.

Justin:

Maybe I said this before, that just aren't possible.

Justin:

In other ways, like they're, you know, internal voids and like just, you know,

Justin:

the way that it can build from one side to the other and be functional parts that

Justin:

actually, you know, you use in production, it's it, it's kind of changed my brain

Justin:

designing things, which is interesting.

Jem:

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Every day.

Jem:

Now this week I've been, oh yeah.

Jem:

Hey Josh, can you just whip up one of these please?

Justin:

Mm-hmm mm-hmm

Jem:

Little, little things, little problems that have been, you

Jem:

know, floating around for years, some of them, and it's just like,

Jem:

ah, yeah, we can solve that.

Jem:

Nice.

Justin:

yeah, for sure.

Justin:

A lot of that.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Mm.

Jem:

So I think there's a printer in our future

Justin:

Yeah,

Justin:

but

Jem:

it's on.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

And it prompted, it prompted me to upgrade our security system

Jem:

actually, cuz the first night it was in here just ran a print overnight.

Jem:

I was like, yeah, it'll be fine.

Jem:

Like you do this at home.

Jem:

Right.

Jem:

Safe to run it overnight.

Jem:

He's like, yeah, it's fine.

Jem:

It's like, cool.

Jem:

Okay.

Jem:

And then like I was on the couch getting ready to go to bed.

Jem:

I was like, ah, I hope everything's okay.

Jem:

So I tried to log into our like janky five year old security camera

Jem:

system on my phone take photo.

Jem:

And three minutes later it's like photo failed, jumped online and

Jem:

bought three new, little security

Justin:

yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

And they're so much better than they used to be.

Jem:

Oh my gosh.

Jem:

Just logging into it last night and getting this beautiful high res view

Jem:

of the office and can't see the printer in the frame, but I'll be able to

Jem:

see the flames coming up from behind the whiteboard when it does catch

Justin:

there you go.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

And then get on your bike and hit a Walle and get there sometime.

Justin:

Yeah, I we did not run anything overnight for a long time, cause

Justin:

I was concerned about the same.

Justin:

I just upgraded the little camera.

Justin:

I've been using seven 20 P webcams inside the, with the Okta print,

Justin:

which I, if you don't have some way to control it at all, like's so nice

Justin:

to be able to control it through Okta print in a little raspberry pie.

Justin:

And then you can also do this little, I think I'm doing a time lapse actually.

Justin:

Ooh,

Jem:

TA

Justin:

that's a little bit better.

Justin:

Camera wise.

Justin:

I couldn't tell last week as I was working from home, how many times

Justin:

that this was actually like junk and I would end up printing the rest of it.

Justin:

Cause I couldn't tell what was going on.

Justin:

So I was like, all right.

Justin:

Time to get a new, new freaking camera.

Jem:

Awesome.

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

That Okta Okta print looks really good.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's super nice.

Justin:

Otherwise it's sneaker net, right.

Justin:

And it's just got tired of that real quick.

Justin:

And now I can start a print for my phone.

Justin:

I mean, that, that's the other thing, I guess I'd recommend if you haven't

Justin:

thought about it, if you don't have like, get a little internet of

Justin:

things, switch for the printer itself.

Justin:

So you see a fire you

Justin:

know, like

Justin:

a

Jem:

sort of switch.

Justin:

yeah.

Justin:

Like you can yell

Jem:

turn it off.

Jem:

Switch.

Justin:

Yep.

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

Ooh.

Justin:

That's my solution for if things are going horribly, is I just.

Justin:

Kill switch.

Justin:

Basically they like 20 bucks here.

Justin:

And I don't know.

Justin:

Do you, you have like the Alexa or like those kind of things, right?

Jem:

Oh,

Jem:

no, we don't have home assistance in Australia.

Justin:

none at all.

Jem:

none at all.

Justin:

I don't understand your accent.

Justin:

It's like last week, the transcription on, on a script basically didn't work on

Justin:

half of my words and apparently my sick sickness diction was terrible, I guess.

Jem:

Sounded fine.

Jem:

You seemed quite perky.

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I think the script was having a hard week.

Jem:

Last week.

Jem:

I had it munch up a bunch of transcriptions of videos I made and

Jem:

just do some really weird things.

Jem:

So.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Hmm,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Like I like that right after you're like, oh, you figured out a faster way

Justin:

to edit and then it just butchered.

Justin:

The last

Justin:

podcast.

Justin:

So I don't know about that anymore.

Jem:

an internet of things that sounds handy now.

Justin:

Mm.

Justin:

Oh, well, yeah, you don't, I should know this by not, do you have one 10 or

Justin:

are they just like made for 2 22 0 8?

Jem:

Ah, our voltage now we're two 40.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

It'll kill you.

Justin:

I'll kill

Justin:

ya.

Jem:

like that.

Jem:

I've

Justin:

guys's going yeah.

Justin:

Well if you can find a raspberry pie, get that thing.

Justin:

Ontop print.

Justin:

It's like a game changer.

Jem:

always been really intimidated by raspberry pies.

Jem:

Mm,

Justin:

I was too, is there's.

Justin:

I have a couple guides.

Justin:

I can probably send you how to set it up.

Justin:

It was, it probably took me half an hour all together.

Justin:

Like I, it was harder to find the raspberry pie cuz of scarcity

Justin:

of those things right now.

Justin:

I had to order one from the UK and then those went outta stock

Jem:

I've done a little bit with Arduinos, but not thought I

Jem:

asked aspir, I built myself a 3d printer 2017 using an do we know

Justin:

too.

Jem:

it was driven directly from rhino in real time.

Justin:

Oh my friend Nick used to do this

Jem:

That was fun.

Jem:

I could not do it now.

Jem:

I don't like, there was just another time in my life and my

Jem:

brain was different or something.

Jem:

It was, it was pre, pre-children

Justin:

No, I know what you mean.

Justin:

I,

Jem:

I honestly

Justin:

to lose that grasshopper skill.

Justin:

And like my friend, he just had this fascination with making kind of art

Justin:

with a, it was like a three armed, like actuated printing robot, but he would

Justin:

do like expanding foam prints with it.

Justin:

So it would just like, he'd control it.

Justin:

Live through grass hopper too, which is just wild.

Justin:

I, I don't know if that was any photos of it still, but he's always

Justin:

making these crazy concoctions out of expanded foam and they're very cool.

Jem:

That's awesome.

Jem:

I'd love to see that I was kind of do doing something similar.

Jem:

I had a three access Delta bot with like a cable cable robot that

Jem:

I could string up into trees and then do large scale long exposure.

Jem:

Light

Justin:

That's what

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Good times.

Jem:

Good times.

Justin:

All right.

Justin:

I should probably go.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah, me too.

Justin:

I can't wait to see your new website and products

Justin:

by next week for sure.

Jem:

this goes live, there'll be things online.

Justin:

Baby pants too.

Jem:

Fantastic.

Jem:

I look forward

Justin:

It's the week of launch

Jem:

to it.

Jem:

Let's do it.

Jem:

nice.

Jem:

What, what are we gonna do after things have launched?

Jem:

We'll have

Jem:

nothing to talk.

Justin:

we're done.

Jem:

done,

Jem:

see ya.

Justin:

it's so much more energy than last.

Jem:

Where's my banana phone

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Justin Brouillette (Portland CNC) and Jem Freeman (Like Butter) discuss CNC machines, their product design and manufacturing businesses, and every kind of tool that they fancy.

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Jem Freeman

Co-founder and director of Like Butter, a CNC focussed timber design and manufacturing business in their purpose-built solar-powered workshop. Castlemaine, VIC, Australia.
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Justin Brouillette

Founder of Portland CNC & Nack