Episode 15

15 - The Podcast Prepper

Justin returns from vacation. The guys talk about product design and distribution, Wallaby's in America, and 3D printing.

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  • Baby Pants update
  • Wallaby's in America?
  • LB - Product Launch July
  • LB Printing Success
  • Design In-process Products - Airtable
  • Shapeoko First Op
  • Distribute Products?
  • Markups and Margins
  • Crossbranding
  • Vacation Non-Productivity?
  • Podcast Archiver

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HOSTS

Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

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Justin Brouillette

Portland, Oregon, USA

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oh, this, this is weird.

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I'm just sitting in my little hole in the wall here with the door shut working

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wave to you.

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They walk by and like there's Jem.

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He used to do stuff.

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used to used to be useful.

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Good morning.

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You have glasses

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I've joined you.

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that you just . Did you just get

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Yeah,

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there weren't enough similarities, you know?

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Yeah, I can mess my hair up a little bit here I don't ride into work.

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It's a little different.

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How's it going?

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glasses

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How are you?

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Good Phil to normal-ish I guess.

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well, rested.

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yeah.

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Surprisingly, I mean, I slept in a car a few of the nights, so I don't

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know how great that rest was, but I think I've recovered from that.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Where

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Oh this weird corner of Washington state that seemingly nobody goes to cuz all of

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our friends from the Seattle area were like, yeah, I've never been out there,

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but it's like the Olympic peninsula.

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the upper west of Seattle And it's like the place in the United States that

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gets the most rainfall of anywhere.

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I think maybe Hawaii gets more, but it's a lot.

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it's very different.

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I mean, very green and lush.

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Like a lot of state is, but nice

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done.

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have you been

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done.

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Uh,

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In the winter?

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here.

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yeah

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cold in the mornings, but

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Yeah.

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Castleman, where we are, we get crisp clear sunny days.

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It's quite.

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it's not that wet.

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that's good.

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No, it's been a good couple of weeks.

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Yeah.

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You playing with interesting ways do on the sharpener.

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It seemed like

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I'm trying to dream dream of a five axis.

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Vira hot glue gun made that

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really

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to do honestly.

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little fixture that mounts in the, and has that angled surface.

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So I can machine my stool tops, the female thread on an angle.

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It worked pretty a I think we can make a, a really nice steel fixture.

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oh,

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But all your microphone game just went up, up, up.

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It's back to normal now.

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That's kinda weird.

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It's it's fine.

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Now

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Okay.

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I could just suddenly hear the, everything in the room.

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Oh,

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It's a little personal.

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been fun.

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I've been have, I must say just missing one week of, oh, there we go.

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I can hear your, again, weird

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anyway I must say it's been last week missing a podcast recording.

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it's really like, it's just coming in and out.

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It's really like a stethoscope where suddenly I can hear into your chest.

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great.

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oh, automatically adjust microphone volume.

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There we go.

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stupid zoom doing stuff.

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Yeah, well, whoa, watch this.

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before

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I figured it out uh, stream deck.

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And, uh, I can also do this.

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I've only got two, right?

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I've only got two right now, but on our way.

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Dawn on speed dial.

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That's a dream

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I, I almost got that accomplished when you're like I'm five minutes late today.

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I was like, oh, I might have enough time to add another one.

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But you're saying one week off, not having the

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one week.

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Yeah, no podcast recording last week meant that I had slightly less

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accountability to my early mornings.

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Missed it.

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do it.

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1, 2,

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Didn't

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We're all over the place today.

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Boy, boy.

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what you call a shale?

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One.

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Yes.

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What was I saying?

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Week off.

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one week off and it's a mess.

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Ah, yeah, not being accountable for one early morning.

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Last

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Ah uh,

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meant.

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I was a bit slack with all my early mornings last week.

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And into this week,

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Hmm.

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I found myself feeling a bit down on Tuesday.

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I was like, what's this about?

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I was like, I just, haven't been doing that little bit of me time in the

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I get that.

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I think that couple, even if I only get half an hour in just that little

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bit of off the clock, tinker time,

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R and D has been, yeah, just really valuable to keeping me sort of

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buoyant, I suppose, and not getting too bogged down and just standard

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business activities throughout the day.

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For sure.

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It's like, I don't know, like changing up what you're doing

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every day definitely helps too.

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I've noticed whenever I'm deep into like, just fixing a problem day after day not

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following like not pattern, but just things that are different every day,

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you know you, I tend to get pretty stale and frustrated and my mind is crappy.

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Yeah.

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and type of

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production flowing

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Uh, It was pretty good.

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Ricky actually had some time off too.

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So we had a couple days of nobody here, which was interesting.

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It hasn't happened in a long time.

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The printers been pretty good.

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We ran outta filament.

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Actually, Bruce took a little longer to get us fillment again than we expected.

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So I had a few days of downtime and then Ricky kept it going while I was gone.

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He's currently making some of those chems rest right now.

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You can kind of probably hear that, but,

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shook, hand.

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is it loud?

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It's.

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no.

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Yeah.

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Other than that, we're just kind of, we've been finalizing the

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last production details of Do you glue this thing into plate or does

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it get, press fit, like stuff.

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That's just trying to scale it up.

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But the orders have kind of kept coming in.

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They slowed after the weekend and then haven't had any since Friday.

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So I don't know if I pissed off Google or something, but yeah, it happens.

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but they've, they've

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launch.

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Yeah.

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I've been happy about that.

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I've got a couple more potential options to like I figured out a way, I think

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somebody had recommended, maybe you said this too, to just offer reducers for

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people can only do four inch ducting.

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I've got that coming up as an option.

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You'll be able to buy that and we'll send you a reducer with it.

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cuz it needs like a little piece of five inch flex stuck to come with it

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and you don't want to go buy 20 feet of it for yourself if you need six inches.

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So we'll just cut off a little bit and um, I'm hoping that brings in

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a few more and trying to get more people that machines want test it.

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Yeah, for out into the world.

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for sure.

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That's I was Josh was doing some printing here yesterday demonstrating

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a melt in M three thread cert.

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I was really impressed with how well it held into the pet print.

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Amazing.

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Cool.

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do you melt it

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I think he was using a sold line.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, I've bought a couple of those.

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Remember the one I showed you, the one for the side drilling, those are intended

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be melted in, or press in I've just smashed them the point where they need

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to be melted and they stay on their own.

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Anyway.

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of

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Mm.

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yeah, those are awesome.

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figure out more ways to use that I really like it.

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Yeah, I was just really impressed.

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Like

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I think

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and

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wrestle it out with a

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in to

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Yeah.

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Soldering, iron's a good idea.

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I wanna

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you buy filament through

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Prusa?

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Is that how that works?

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Trying to find some alternatives because they're a long ways away.

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and we already had one scenario where we ran out.

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So, it's and, you know, I've had a couple people ask me, Ricky, ask me.

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And when I got back from vacation, he was like, why don't we get another printer?

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because we can do, you know, only a couple a day if we're really on it.

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And like today we had a, it just had a layer shift of first time ever.

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It totally shifted over about, I don't know 40 millimeters up probably.

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And so that was crap.

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And it had been printing for four or five hours already.

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now we've lost one, now this one will finish, like when we're

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probably laying in bed, you know,

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yeah.

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So I can't start another one for the

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Do you run it

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we have been.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, which freaked me out a but then I did Googling and it seems as if

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there's really been like no examples of PERA's causing fires so far,

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Yeah, we in our studio, the art studios that in there who ran

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some

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Oh, wow.

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we were doing some research at the time and we found these like fire extinguishers

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that look like soccer balls, and you can kind of Mount them on the wall.

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yes.

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I can't remember if we used them in his studio, but I ended up buying

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some for here and I've got them in our dust extracted bag, house outside.

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And so if the dust collector ever went up, there's like these

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two soccer balls mounted inside there that will just explode.

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You some interesting.

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Have you, you haven't had it happen, I assume you haven't been

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no.

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I haven't

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tested them,

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Make it go boom!

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but I feel good that they're out there.

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yeah, we have to like, re-certify our fire extinguishers.

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And the last time I did that, I asked the, the vendor about those.

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I was like, have you ever seen these fire, the soccer ball fire?

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He's like, yeah, they're cool.

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They don't really work though.

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And I was like, is that because don't sell them?

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Or like, you want me buy suppression system.

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I didn't ask that, but I I've seen those videos too, where it like out

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the fire, like with compression,

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alright.

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So my surprise of my trip includes a show and tell we do have all of

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these in the United States states.

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My wife, Erin found, we like went to Seattle on the end of our loop of our trip

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and she just happened to stumble on this like Wallaby farm in the Seattle area.

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And blindfolded me to go there because she knew it would be

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somewhat humorous for us review.

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Because we had just talked, I showed her that clip, but he has all Bino ones,

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this guy uh, which I found to be very strange and maybe unethical, I don't

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know, this guy was quirky as hell.

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like, aside from the ethics, cuz he seemingly sells them.

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And I don't know how I feel about any of that, but he doesn't educational

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program for schools and like educates about kangaroos and wallabies.

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And so he has a few

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awesome.

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think about this?

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Is this weird as

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That looks like a, that that's a

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Yeah, that's a full kangaroo.

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Yeah.

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I think that one's like four years old.

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Does this seem odd and like shady to you that there's here and

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guy's like an exotic breeder.

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do you

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just happens, right?

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Yeah.

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I was a little hesitant to talk about it.

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Cause I was like, I don't want people to think like out here supporting

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some kind of weird exotic animal trade, but it was entertaining.

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I don't think we'll be putting a link into his wallet farm, but you know,

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interesting.

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they are very interesting.

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especially as docile creatures, he was, he was saying that you

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know, like in Australia, people don't have them as pets per se.

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them.

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Oh, I've never patted one patterned one.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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They're not they're not animals

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No, I've had one lick my hand and it's just like a dog.

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Very, very strange.

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I mean, they kind of look like giant Rath as wallabies, but it was,

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you like he has like this one, right?

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Like laying in the shade, hanging out.

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I was like, is that a giant rat at Wallaby?

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Funny

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you go.

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Aaron was like, gem will love this.

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And I was like, I don't know Willie, or is he

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gonna think like we're weirdos

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Yeah.

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It's a bit

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yeah, I get that.

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Yeah.

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As long as the wallabies were happy.

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Yeah.

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That's one thing I They are all very well seemly cared for, like he raises

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them in his house until they're a certain age is just, I was like you

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maybe a little too familiar with things.

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When you flashed up your screen share there.

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And I just saw like thumbnails.

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I was like, Justin, what have you been doing on Dolly of your

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say

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I made myself into wall full of farm.

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Oh boy.

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Also also on the health check, seeing your task bar across the

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top of your screen there with how many little applications and

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There's a few.

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Yeah.

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B

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my Lord.

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I have a little, little too many things.

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I I've always wondered if like I have enough things running in the background

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that it's actually like eating my

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I'm

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computer resources

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Oh, that's good.

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it slowed me down in the dark.

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anyway

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a new head torch, which is incredibly bright,

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Blind

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like a car headlight attached to my helmet.

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It's fantastic.

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That's

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It's been

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The, I, I did hear one growl a little bit in another one.

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It was kind of interesting to hear it.

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Like, I was like up close.

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I was like, Like kind of tough I

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was kind of hoping they made other noises.

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they make pretty creepy noises when you're

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great

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milling around outside.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Weird.

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Yeah.

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What else is

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growly noise

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someone, on Instagram the other day in a DM.

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They're like, I'm looking forward to the July product launch

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on your new monthly schedule.

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Oh,

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oh, damnit people listen to this.

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That's right.

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there's a responsibility or reliability.

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But I'm gonna call it now recording on the 21st of July, I'm gonna skip it

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Oh,

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yeah, calling it early.

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I at the end of June.

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And I feel like we still haven't given it the justice, like given it the service,

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it requires to be like fully formed.

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Like it's yes, it's online.

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You can buy it, there's still so much work to do in terms of putting all the

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resources online, we still haven't listed the individual components for sale.

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I'm gonna shoot some new photography today of the new configurations

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and then get all of that online.

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So I feel like, yeah, I need to, I've got way more work to do on

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last month's launch before I can just rush out another product.

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Yeah

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I'm supposed to say, like that's not acceptable.

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Right?

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isn't that my role here?

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Yeah, I get that.

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I mean, I do this way too often where I'm like, well,

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we're gonna get this thing out.

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And then it rolls into the next cycle.

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And.

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Yeah, but that's a huge one.

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Like, I, I guess I'm rationalizing for you that a product like,

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what are you define it as?

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Is it another the kit of parts, which is just a minor update?

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your product launch?

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Or always going to be full system of things, which is wild?

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I don't know how

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Yeah, I think

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piece to

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way.

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you know what?

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I

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a

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BREAKING NEWS

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do

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and overtake me and get there in the next week and a half.

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Cause Ben and Josh have got a little wardrobe unit that's well, on the way.

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I saw a prototype being made this week.

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simple.

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Like that's not a, so much a system it's more a sort of standalone thing.

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So that's something that we could potentially get online.

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So, yeah, hold, hold the phone.

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hold

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We might get there.

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stop.

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The presses.

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Hmm

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Don't let this go out.

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Interesting.

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I haven't, I should probably set some type of goal around product launches.

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We actually have, like, it feels like I have an endless be working at the

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moment, product wise, which is nice.

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I maybe I've always felt that way since we started in October doing this, the

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duct tower now is we're getting I'll never be able to say that without a

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laugh quack, we have gone through a bunch of iterations, mostly digital and

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gotten to this pretty nice form that we're getting quoted to do prototypes.

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So I think.

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Could come out next month, pretty easily.

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Great.

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a, it's, you know, it's not a major product say, but it's like, that solves

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a problem for people like us that were using weird ducting solutions before.

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Great.

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that'll be nice.

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The name that I was laughing at.

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It's , it's

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that every

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definitely

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you mentioned now, I just get my mind, just flashes over with all these D images

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things that you've burnt into my retinas,

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that can't be unseen.

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Yes, exactly.

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does the, the tower of duck involve a bit of sheet metal break, press bending.

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Yeah, I just sent you, there's kind of an assembly one slack.

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And then the last two are kind of more closer to what we're probably gonna

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make, where it's got some material relief and part, a big concern for me

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is not adding too much that spindle, cuz it, you know, affects speed and it

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would maybe have too much caner on it or something or not caner, but like lean.

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They're already supporting other stuff and like what we've put on ours, this is

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like really close to that weight so far.

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So,

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Is

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weight to

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this is steel.

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We looked at aluminum, but it was strangely expensive.

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But the weight is super great.

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And also one of the bends, everybody kept telling me you're gonna

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break that if you try and bend it.

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I was like, okay, I don't know how to bend aluminum at all.

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So teach me kind of came back to just steel was if you make it thin

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enough, my only concern is that flopping a little bit, but we'll

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have to see how that holds up.

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a weird game between and strength,

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Yeah.

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I what that

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does your machine have a floating Z access?

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of our float in the Z.

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So

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What

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you

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It's

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you can physically, like if you stand on the table and lift

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the spindle, it'll float up.

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It'll ride upwards on rails.

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In the Z

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I don't really underst uh, do you

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I don't know.

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I mean, it goes and down on its own

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on its own rails.

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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But then, so what would happen?

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Like if you, the spindle was off and you had a tool in the

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spindle and you just drove it in a negative Z down into the table bed,

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Mm-hmm,

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ours will just like hit the table

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access but

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or servers or whatever will continue to go down, but the spend will

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stay where it is and just kind of ride up on this, like sort of maybe

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three inch travel of like safety.

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Weird.

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that makes sense.

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It's really

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I don't think

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machines have it.

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I never heard of that.

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Maybe.

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I, I don't think it but I could be wrong.

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It basically same mechanisms.

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It's on ball screw and it's got a stepper and it has that

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little balancer weight balancer.

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It basically offsets the weight of the spindle.

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That's what that stupid, big looking thing is on the

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That's what that

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and is honestly the biggest problem producting.

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Because it always gets tangled in that.

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And, uh, I always think, oh, I'm gonna either rip my spindle

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down or all of my ducting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We don't have a weight balancer, but we've got this weird floating Z mechanism.

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yours, the reason that they put it on, they said, which makes sense to

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me is the Z would be limited in terms of its It wouldn't be able to raise as

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the other axes would be able to move.

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So you'd have like a weird limiting factor of like, say you could

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go 500 inches a minute X and Y

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Yeah.

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I forgot we haven't done this yet.

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The inches per minute thing.

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Speed base as fast

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some sense of, yeah.

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So say you, you know, one is 500 X and Y but the then when it would go to 300, so

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it couldn't raise the weight basically.

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I don't why, I you a stepper on it.

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their

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solution

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That's

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interesting.

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which is kind

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That's kind of cool.

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Yeah, I machines are pretty

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wouldn't just put

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like I think our they're limited to 150

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of a solution

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Z

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Hmm

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both up and down

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Oh yeah.

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That's

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in their setting.

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So it's quite, quite slow.

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that was, I mean, there's a bunch things.

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I bought that router, the shop saver intending to bake 3d things.

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And so when I was shopping at that show, And, you know, looking at the BSEs and

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the you'll love this one, there's a machine called the freedom machine, right?

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Freedom Machine, Bleep yeah

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Freedom, CNC or something like new CNC, all the, all of 'em, like it felt to

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me like the best price for what you're getting was definitely shop saver.

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And this is where we turn into a shop, Taber red, ball screws I really liked.

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And then honestly it, whole, like, ZC this, it has 12 of underneath

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the gantry, which is crazy.

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And then also that that it could go as fast in allies.

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And I was brilliant.

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Nobody

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else really talked about it like that.

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did.

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balancer meant

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Yeah, for sure.

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like

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four inches of Z,

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a hundred mil.

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And still all the time?

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Probably like every other month we'll have somebody go, Hey, I've got this part.

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That's like 15 inches tall.

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Can you cut it?

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I'm like, God, I thought I had enough space there.

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You know, like,

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With what

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yeah.

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Right.

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With what a what's funny we to a five axis.

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the only time we run into access hype us height limitations is if we're trying to

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put like big round things on the table,

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Yeah.

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stuff like that, fixer up sort of components.

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yeah, for sure.

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Mm

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no, we've been printing more and more and they um, Josh has on the

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team, how to run the printers.

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I saw him teaching John the other day, how to get stuff outta fusion

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and onto the printer, which has been cool to see that just autonomously.

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And John has machinist has printed some new colors for the pencil shop.

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The other day, just all kind of happened independently of me, which was awesome.

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Mm-hmm

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. got some issues.

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Apparently we have a warning that will end in 10

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10 minutes left.

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We've got this problem in the pencil shop now where cuz we

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pre oil, the stock pre sand

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Oh, wow.

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Whoa.

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three draw trucks do tend to mark just a little bit, depending on how

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like as it's doing the part transfer between the two parts, you can

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get a little bit of a Chuck mark.

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Yeah.

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So John solved that all of his own accord, just by printing a little color,

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kind of the, like the color we made for the square stock, but for round.

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And it's just like this it's a soft drawer.

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Right.

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So it's now got 3d printed, soft drawers top and bottom.

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And it's awesome.

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No more marks.

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And so it compresses directly onto the Dell

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Yeah.

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and you don't get like 3d layer lines then.

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Well, it's so much more surface area than what the chucks were providing

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sense.

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that.

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Yeah.

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yeah.

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What material is it?

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The print.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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There's so many things.

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I, Blown away more and more like my assumptions of its durability or strength

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is it depends like depending on how design something, it junk still, but it's

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pretty amazing what they can withstand.

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the drilling jig made and like, honestly, all of the dust boots are

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like, I don't think two years ago, or a year ago before we got all this, I

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would've never thought this would work.

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You know?

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I haven't been able to, I mean, I've squeezed the heck

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out of 'em, but I should.

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Yeah.

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More and more.

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I, nothing is broken on any of them we do have some QA that ends

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up taking out an unfortunate amount of them because they have a little

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printing issue that looks like it could have a de lamination in the future.

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So I'd say we lose.

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Three to four a week, probably at least from blobs and things that just happen.

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And I don't know, I'm, haven't figured out any good ways to like really improve,

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like what, what I would love to be able to do with it is what it, I dunno if you

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watched them enough, but like bars tip.

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And if it, and when it's printing, like the whole one boot by two thirds, the

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way up it'll de like slip into the piece.

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And then now that's defect.

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And what I wanna be able to is like, have it go over into like Bri pad and like wipe

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its tip off little bit then come back.

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Which is probably possible, but I don't know.

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Haven't figured that out.

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Yeah.

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a

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Reliability

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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right?

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You could just insert bits of code into the program to do that.

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Yeah.

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The thing I've seen people do, which is really appealing, but Ricky and I

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have talked about, imagine it working.

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You'd have to have a whole nother level is people will either tilt their beds

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a little bit or put them upside down.

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And so once the, once you turn off the heat, you can use the gantry itself to

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push the part off in either direction.

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And so they slide off and you can print again.

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Without basically in loop the code which would work except for the fact that

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almost every time the bed has a bunch of Detroits on it, which we've always

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been really fastidious about cleaning it with like ISAL alcohol, between, and

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keeping that really clean and precise.

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and we never pop which is great.

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So I just, it would be nice so that we could do this thing in the middle of the

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night when it gets done, it starts again.

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But I just can't imagine that they would stick and then we'd have

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like another spaghetti monster in the middle of the night.

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of Virool attached to the gantry.

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That just,

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Oh, what about an air blast?

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That's a good idea.

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Alcohol blast

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Alcohol

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button cuz I'm getting a coffee,

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There you go.

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right?

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Thank you.

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that's good.

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That was some good Foley over there.

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Fully

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the call it cock pouring.

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oh yeah.

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It's nice.

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put the lapel mic in the coffee jug next time.

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pour coffee over your mic.

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What happens?

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oh my gosh.

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kicked off

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Set up an ice prop ball, Mister.

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Slash flame thrower

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Please

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how they're gonna say for the, the computers.

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And I was like, I don't know, get it to auto restart.

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Yeah.

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I

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why it's kicking.

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I've done 15 times and this is the first time today but we've been

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using the same thing the whole time.

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I

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for Anyway.

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I never heard that word until you said that

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are you designing in process products?

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Well, I think I wrote that a couple weeks back, but I was thinking about my process

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for developing things is pretty rough.

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sometimes I make like a Google document or like I'll make an

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actual project in our normal job shop thing, but there's no like.

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I don't have a good place.

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And I think I start to lose I get stuff all over the place.

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It'll be like on my draft app, it'll be on my notes app, my,

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all different places where I'm researching hardware and this process.

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And then I want it to be associated with a project.

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I don't know.

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But do you have something better than my scattershot approach?

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I wish no, I feel well.

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wish I had a good answer.

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I wish I was a little bit taller, wish I was a baller.

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I wish I had a girl who looked good, I would call her.

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What do I do?

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I guess I'm thinking of this now, like we have a couple, which I'm a

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little frustrated with my lack of foresight, like NA and then PXC and C

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product, air, table bases are separate.

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So then all the inventory gets messy

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you got separate bases for

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It just like trying to make 'em useful for each one.

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I don't, honestly, I don't think it was a good choice, but I'm thinking

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now say it all got combined or used one of them like your like butter

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base for, I don't know what it is.

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It's just like, is it just a status thing The product has a status and you filter

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out those in development views products.

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So then it could live with it as it forward, like all development things.

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And I don't know.

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Yeah.

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be the best.

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Mm-hmm

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but yeah, my logic has been to dump everything into one base,

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everything that's thematically

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Seems to

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least

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yeah.

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just put up its tools, overlay over zoom.

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Oh,

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What are you doing that fusion?

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That's that's

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that back, that whole like display thing is always like showing up, the

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browser will show up over top of like Photoshop something and you can't

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get to go away switch back and forth

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Yeah.

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one of my favorites.

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But no, my, my problem systems

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wonky a

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sort of.

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To do project for myself.

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Just the one that I refer to, but I put stuff in there and I don't,

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you know, necessarily go and look in the right places at the right

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time and go, oh, that's right.

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I need to do that.

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So the you use is only accessible by it's a separate

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It's within the company structure, anyone could go in there and have

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a look at it, but yeah, it's a separate base that just, I use,

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Interesting.

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Although I did set up a private base the other day

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for

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manage

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one

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Oh yeah.

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from our quarterly check-ins and stuff like that.

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I used one for house home renovation, my forced my wife into using it and she, oh,

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bye.

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Goodbye.

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Oh,

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our house

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Oh God.

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All right, hold on.

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Nobody will ever know.

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good morning.

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That was instant.

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just start over.

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Oh, oh, I know something.

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I was gonna tell you.

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I think we talked about podcasts, like disappearing, right?

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Like I had that thought yesterday of I was listening to my favorite podcast

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and somebody had mentioned like a Facebook group I meant or something

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about, it was like, oh, I think they're starting to drop off the end.

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Like the beginning.

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You can't see 'em anymore in certain places.

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And I, it made me think like, Ooh, there's this one.

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I really like, I won as an archive.

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I like want it in, you know, when the internet stops working someday in 2050,

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like I want to be able to have all of 'em on a cassette player somewhere.

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Um, or, um, so I found this app for two bucks.

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podcast.

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Archiver for Mac.

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And you just give it an feed just pulls 'em all drive.

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So I have like.

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20 gigs of this podcast on a drive now,

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you're a apocalypse resource.

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I like

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apparently.

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I like it.

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and it.

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down onto a

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podcasts.

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pod, the podcast prepper.

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Very good.

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Oh, then you can get it all pressed to vinyl.

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So it's safe.

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Okay.

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Welcome to Parts Department.

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Uh,

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That was perfect.

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We've had this nice little process.

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I think I've shared, I was gonna make a little real of it, I think.

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But we use our Chipo to do the first operations on our ChemX spaces.

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We basically like machine the bottom with some tabs so that it fits into

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from rough stock into the fixture on the shop Taber real nicely.

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And it doesn't need a second operation, but we figured, you know, it kind of

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works out well, like so that you don't, you have an actual flat side on one side

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and it fits into the fixture nicely.

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And that's been so slick.

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We've got this little like raspberry pie that runs the Shao.

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Now this whole setup where I actually added today.

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I don't know why I didn't think of this.

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The raspberry pie can I think it's, I don't know what it actually runs.

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Some kind of like you bun Uber into thing on its own.

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I don't even know, but I set up, I was like, oh, I can use the printer from here.

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Cause it's sitting right next to it.

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And we got a monitor set up.

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So now that little raspberry PI can run Theo or start the printer and control.

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And it's all in this little like cell, I was pretty excited.

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I figured how to print from the internet today on it.

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I should have done this a while ago.

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that

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predate the shops over?

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no, I got it when I was making the intro to CNC course, we

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could do training videos with it.

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And we've had a few scenarios, but this is the best case of, I mean,

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we could totally do all of it on the shop saver, but little job for it.

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We've got these little clamps you just go over there and push start

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and it chugs away and cuts out parts.

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And we like that kind of like two step operation.

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It's kind of

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that's cool.

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Hmm.

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it's perfect

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that.

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Yeah, something very appealing about that.

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And maybe it's just from listening to too much business of machining,

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but the, the multi machine two stage operation is attractive for some reason,

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For sure.

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I mean, I,

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It's it speaks to using your resources

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effectively, doesn't it?

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right.

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Like Grimsmo's like buying $150,000 machine to make his

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million dollar machine more time.

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Basically.

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It's like problem I've ever had, but you know, interesting to

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think about it's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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a,

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um, Oh, I and

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I'll, I'll keep it loose.

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Got a conundrum at the moment where we've done heaps of work over

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the last year on our margins and ensuring that we're charging enough

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Yep.

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and really tightening up that structure in terms of how we quote

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our products and custom projects.

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I've got a client who would love to be able to distribute

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some version of kid parts.

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Oh,

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And aside from the design question of whether I even wanna distribute

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Kitter parts, which I'm not sure that I do, but say that

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hypothetically, I was like, yeah, cool.

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Let's come up with a distribution model for Kitter parts.

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I don't know if I can make.

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It would kind of be going backwards for us on all our margin

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Mm-hmm

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to then set up a margin.

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That's gonna work

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for

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them with a multilayered distribution model where, you know, he's not the end.

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He's, he's like two steps backwards.

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So there's like at least two margins that need to be added on top of that.

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So I'm a bit to at the moment in terms of thinking about that, but

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what made me think of it was sort of optimizing machine output and,

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you know, the pencil sharp and it currently sits dormant four days

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a week because it's too efficient and it smashes out everything we

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need to really quickly.

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So if we could sort of fill up our machine both in the sort of physical sense, but

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also in the business sense with more, more widgets, then that would be beneficial.

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And I just don't know.

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How that, how, where the balance falls in terms of lower margin

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work, filling up the machine

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Hmm.

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whilst we're trying to sort of operate, do all our normal

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stuff at a different margin.

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Yeah.

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I'm a bit

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perplexed.

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never been able to figure out that.

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Well, it's like, I feel like for your profession, this kind of like, how do

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you make products that are distributable?

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Like maybe they should have taught one of us that, you know, like we

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should have learned this in school.

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Like how do we make our products profitable in this way?

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But I mean, those margins are probably like the Asian

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manufacturing was so popular for so long was it's it's the cost.

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You gotta drive those costs down to nothing and then be able to have the, the

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MSRP or the, the list, price, be something that's appealing to a different market,

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basically, you know, somewhere else.

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And I've never, the only thing I got close to that was those laptop stands because

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those were very affordable to make.

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. And I did really well reselling them for like eight months and then that dropped

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out one customer just like suddenly they did the office space thing to me,

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where I just stopped getting orders.

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And I was like, Hey something may be wrong with the email system or

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you send me the drop shift orders.

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I'm like, oh no, we took you off our website two weeks ago.

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And I was like, what, what?

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I've been paying my, my rent and myself with this.

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Like, you don't even like, tell me.

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It's just like, oh, I'll sort itself out basically.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I've never, I had somebody ask me recently via Hey, I'm thinking

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about making some furniture.

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I know, I see you, you know, sell furniture.

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And so I was, you know, trying to describe to them what I understood

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about it, which feels like not very much, especially in this world of

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selling and manufacturing sales and from manufacturing to like wholesale basically.

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And there's a lot like, I don't know how we would ever wholesale an act

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it would have to, we'd to double price of what we're thinking at

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least.

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Yeah,

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And then I don't know, it doesn't seem like a product anymore.

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no, that's right.

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I think like we're probably both in a similar spot where

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ball

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already a wholesale

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have

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Like, I don't know about you, but we've never put into our pricing

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for that would really allow for anyone else to put a margin on it.

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we're trying to make know, good things accessible to people that are so direct.

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So like for someone else to take a cut of that, basically we either

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have to make it a lot cheaper magically or take a hit on our margin

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Yep.

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to establish that structure.

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So we've never bothered basically.

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But maybe there is yeah.

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A point at which you need to sort of look at that model.

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I don't know.

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locally.

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The only thing I've seen, I mean, I.

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Know anybody in like a blue dot or something like that.

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And a lot of that does get made overseas but like locally, there's

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a furniture maker that um, he's I kind of watched him from a distance.

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I know I'm vaguely go from starting to make this specific chair at a certain

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price and say it's a thousand dollars.

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And it's gone basically to $4,500 for that chair.

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And it was specifically because either some research he did or

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somebody he had talked with was like, you know, where the money is here.

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Like how that you make this a viable business you work with

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interior designers and showroom.

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And so you've gotta have this like four X on your costs.

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he still a lot of them, but that's just a totally different clientele

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than like Etsy or you know?

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yeah, yeah, Different

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Yeah.

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what we're in it

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So like

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as possible or are at the right price with sort of, you

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know, accessibility in mind?

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I don't know.

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Have you, have you sold much of something that somebody else has

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made for you, like a product where you didn't have any making involved?

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Nope.

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Hmm.

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That's like all I did for the first, I mean, I'm not

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gonna say this is successful.

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It's just, it was a thing, you know, all these calendars and the

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laptop stand and I didn't have the means to make a lot of that stuff.

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And I had weird ideas.

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Printed goods for so long.

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that was the closest I could get.

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And the margins, I, I never could order enough where the

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margins made a lot of sense.

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Like it couldn't have been sold to distribution and then a

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retailer, like, I wholesale almost all of it, but not very well.

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Like it was always like I had like two per product at a time and I always wished that

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would've taken off, but never found means to, I needed a distributor basically,

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and I never got that figured out.

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it's appealing.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting.

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Well,

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pondering that conundrum.

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I'm curious to see, or if there's like kind of if you simplify it, doesn't

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really retain the same idea though.

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You know, like to make it as profitable of a unit to be able to wholesale that.

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Yeah.

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like

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it.

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I can sort of par it down to its

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as possible

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how does that affect our regular

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Set don't know

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know, is it different enough that that's sort of non-competitive and

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it doesn't matter, or I don't know.

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I'm just a bit torn by that sort of dilution.

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And maybe I'm too, I'm I'm aware that I'm too close to it too.

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Like I'm too attached to the kid parts ecosystem and everything that

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I've put into it to probably think about it in a really clear, unbiased

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way cuz you know, it's my baby.

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And so of course I'm gonna be protective of it.

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Oh, yeah, same, same thing is one of the things that always came up with

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potential large orders of our week planners or the calendars was people

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always wanted to put their logo on it.

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And I was always just like

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know, at the time that was all I really, you know, had.

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And I don't know, I guess I you're always precious about your own things.

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And I just was like, are you gonna order 500?

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First of all, no, we want 30.

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It's like, well, I can't make this calendar.

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I can't make 30 with your logo on it.

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it just doesn't make sense.

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You they'd have to be a hundred dollars a piece or something,

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you know, it's like crazy.

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And then yeah, the logo, they always wanted their logo on things.

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I don't know, I just never wanted to do that.

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I probably should have, it were, what it matter?

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In the end, who's see it.

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would you, would you people's logos on kid parts or thread board or

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whatever for for the right scenario?

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no, I think I would cross brand enough.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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I but I think that's me being a bit precious and protective, so,

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Yeah.

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I mean, yeah.

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Can you imagine having a business where you just like made

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products that were white labeled?

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It'd be so weird.

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would be weird.

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Yeah.

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We sell threaded Dell.

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Yeah.

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Just the Dell.

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What sounds sounds kind of easier in a way

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Yeah.

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You're not precious of any, like how I sell It's like one of those,

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I dunno if you have these promotions companies where they just buy bulk

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product and like what do you call that?

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Like soft stamp on people's

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ah, yeah, yeah.

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silk screen, not soft stamp.

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Ah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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When you get the branded Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I dunno.

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I, what was weird about if I follow back to the beginning, so weird

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about this vacation, their time off, is it, you know, it was like

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a weird series of camping events.

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One of which was two days where I had no cell phone service at all, no

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wifi, the first.

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I kind of panicked a little bit, not quite panicked, but I was just

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like, what the hell do I do now?

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Like, like my wife went, was going to bed chose cuz the bed way earlier than I do.

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And like we're laying in her car and I'm like, what do I do right now?

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Like, you know, it's it not quite dark, you know, I wasn't tired.

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When pull out the

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I need the, I need the podcast Gramaphone

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Yeah.

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with a crank.

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But what was weird about this trip more than most others?

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And I guess it's probably a positive thing is like usually I end up in those times

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or just all the time having thought about business, evolving something changing

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this process or just anything, a new product, a different way to do something.

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And like, it really for like a week and I don't.

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I almost feel like I'm wrong.

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Like it was, I missed that almost, you know, like you said,

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with the airplane thing, right.

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When you're flying, like that kind of thing happens and I just didn't get it.

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It was very strange,

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did you, did

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didn't happen

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for thinking about

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I guess.

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So,

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yeah, like coming back and not having, you know, a series of and

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bad ideas usually happens, that was.

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Weird for

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's super weird.

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I can relate to that in terms of.

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Last nine to coaching the day to day and seeing the as a whole.

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There's definitely a sense of guilt of not being like that.

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Central.

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Do everything, answer every question node like this little

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like, oh, this, this is weird.

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I'm just sitting in my little hole in the wall here with

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the door shut and, you know,

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working

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wave to you.

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They walk by and like there's Jem He used to do stuff.

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used to used to be useful.

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Pretty useless now.

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I don't even know what he does in there.

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yeah, no, I

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That's interesting.

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I wouldn't have thought that, but I could totally see what you mean by that.

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Like I know it's'd like to get there too.

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What fills like the right path and what I, we should talk about the next time

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the idea that like comes up all the time when you hire somebody to help

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with like sales, for example, or like the job shop kind of first process that

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first section of things where you intake and talk and I've always wanted to hire

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somebody specifically for that, but.

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It never feels like enough work for it like that, that

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person wouldn't have enough do.

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So it's endless yeah, I don't know.

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not go into that

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cuz we're

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at

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you mean.

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Yeah.

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That would be an interesting thing to

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yeah.

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chicken and egg.

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Yeah, that, that's the next big one on our list on our recruitment list.

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Is that

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we should

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Ooh, good.

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Now this next time on parts department.

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it's next summer.

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The Guys need to hire Sales positions.

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Who will make it?

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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yeah, we'll next summer.

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We're taking a break.

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Awesome.

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One is done.

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All seasons.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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I don't know which season it's either winter or summer.

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All then

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it.

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if we can stitch this all together.

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See ya.

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Light.

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I like your glasses.

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actually similar be really similar in the end.

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backs.

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See if you can just get this profile, then

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we'll be sweet.

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it.

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Now

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If I just came back with the same glasses, how great would that be?

About the Podcast

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Parts Department
Justin Brouillette (Portland CNC) and Jem Freeman (Like Butter) discuss CNC machines, their product design and manufacturing businesses, and every kind of tool that they fancy.

About your hosts

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Jem Freeman

Co-founder and director of Like Butter, a CNC focussed timber design and manufacturing business in their purpose-built solar-powered workshop. Castlemaine, VIC, Australia.
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Justin Brouillette

Founder of Portland CNC & Nack